tag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:/activityCity of Calgary on UserVoice2011-11-15T12:33:56-08:00tag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/102340642011-11-15T12:33:56-08:002011-11-15T12:33:56-08:00Terms of use [updated]<p>The non-commercial use and other restrictive terms make the data not useful for open, collaborative projects like OpenStreetMap.
Data needs to pass the "cake test"... If I want a special cake made that shows some map data as a decoration, then it needs to be allowed to freely share it (with the baker) who reuses it for profit (making a cake) and redistributes it.
It's also important to be able to mix data sources (city's data), with crowdsourced data from projects like OpenStreetMap or other sources. But, then as data gets mixed and redistributed downstream, it's impossible to accept "fully responsible for any consequences resulting from any use of the Data"
Examples of good terms of use include NRCAN's GeoGratis site:
http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/geogratis/en/licence.jsp
Seattle's Open Data site's terms of use are very simple (though the attribution text is onerous):
http://data.seattle.gov/data-policy</p><p>Brent Fraser said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>What is wrong with commercial use? If someone intends to make a profit, that means their use is valuable to others (which is the whole point of making data available). Interesting that the license states "for the purpose of achieving monetary profit", which implies unintentional profit would be ok...</p></div></p>Brent Frasertag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/102340302011-11-15T12:27:09-08:002011-11-15T12:27:09-08:00Map data in SVG format [updated]<p>The map (and other path/object) data in the catalog is being supplied mostly in file formats that require specialized tools. Although there are open source tools available for some of the formats, those tools remain relatively specialized and require some specific domain knowledge to be able to use at all.
SVG is a graphic/object format that is supported directly by most current web browsers (including mobile devices). As an XML-compatible format, there are a lot of existing code libraries that can be used to work with it. It can also be used directly by JavaScript in browsers (and can be combined with the lastest CSS effects for some powerful visualizations), reducing the need for data format readers/translators when building dynamic web applications.</p><p>Brent Fraser said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>I'd consider SVG to be only slightly better than PDF. I'd much rather get the data in a GIS format suitable for integration with other data. A good example of a bad format is the shapes.txt file in the transit dataset.</p></div></p>Brent Frasertag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/65072172011-04-04T10:18:03-07:002011-04-04T10:18:03-07:00Complete excel document that would show what parks/facilities, had which activities, addresses etc. [updated]<p>Park/facility name
Description
Sports offered (comma separated)
Street address
City
Province
Latitude/Longitude
Contact name
Contact phone
Contact email
Contact address
Contact website </p><p>The City of Calgary said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>Thanks for the comment and we will consider all suggestions as we move forward with this pilot.
</p></div></p>The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/63637552011-03-26T10:22:29-07:002011-03-26T10:22:29-07:00311 call center information, based on time, call type, postal code [updated]<p>Kathryn Blair said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>could we have also like ... the database that the 311 people use to get their info? Or a way to get that data ourselves without calling in?</p></div></p>Kathryn Blairtag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/54785972011-02-11T13:26:07-08:002011-02-11T13:26:07-08:00Complete excel document that would show what parks/facilities, had which activities, addresses etc.<p>Jeff Ferguson suggested:<br />Park/facility name
Description
Sports offered (comma separated)
Street address
City
Province
Latitude/Longitude
Contact name
Contact phone
Contact email
Contact address
Contact website </p>Jeff Fergusontag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/46104072010-12-30T06:30:11-08:002010-12-30T06:30:11-08:00Cily Council sessions Closed Captioning [updated]<p>It is currently creating real-time for accessibility on black boards in Council chamber, and SHAW 89 Closed Captioning. It is not 100% accurate, but it is the ONLY transcript available and is also LIVE.
Offer a live feed of this data, and it could allow people to monitor for key words, see what council was talking about for past 5 minutes to get up-to-speed with a live audio or video feed.
It could be re-purposed to a Twitter feed.</p><p>The City of Calgary said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>Thanks for the comment and we will consider all suggestions as we move forward with this pilot.
</p></div></p>The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/46023292010-12-29T14:33:10-08:002010-12-29T14:33:10-08:00Cily Council sessions Closed Captioning<p>gordonmcdowell suggested:<br />It is currently creating real-time for accessibility on black boards in Council chamber, and SHAW 89 Closed Captioning. It is not 100% accurate, but it is the ONLY transcript available and is also LIVE.
Offer a live feed of this data, and it could allow people to monitor for key words, see what council was talking about for past 5 minutes to get up-to-speed with a live audio or video feed.
It could be re-purposed to a Twitter feed.</p>gordonmcdowelltag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45853972010-12-28T08:09:16-08:002010-12-28T08:09:16-08:00GIS data on all Land & Buildings held by YYCCC [updated]<p>The City of Calgary said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>Thanks for the comment and we will consider all suggestions as we move forward with this pilot.
</p></div></p>The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45853892010-12-28T08:08:50-08:002010-12-28T08:08:50-08:00Data in formats/APIs that can be dynamically referenced by apps [updated]<p>The current data files are offered in static, compressed formats. This means that to use them, they have to be downloaded and decompressed before being integrated into an application. This limits a number of possibilities for web and mobile application development, and means that apps will not necessarily maintain up to date information as the static data files go stale (even if the City updates them in the Catalog).
For static files, please make available formats that can be externally referenced (along with fixed, permanent, URLs).
For data that may change over time, or be added to, or such, please provide dynamic APIs that can be programmatically linked to. Ideally, this would include sub-set searching and sorting abilities (especially once larger data sets start to be dealt with).
I’d be happy to discuss this in detail if you have any questions or want further clarifications.
Twitter: @grant</p><p>The City of Calgary said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>Thanks for the comment and we will consider all suggestions as we move forward with this pilot.
</p></div></p>The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45853832010-12-28T08:08:23-08:002010-12-28T08:08:23-08:00311 call center information, based on time, call type, postal code [updated]<p>The City of Calgary said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>Thanks for the comment and we will consider all suggestions as we move forward with this pilot.
</p></div></p>The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45853652010-12-28T08:07:08-08:002010-12-28T08:07:08-08:00Map data in SVG format [updated]<p>The map (and other path/object) data in the catalog is being supplied mostly in file formats that require specialized tools. Although there are open source tools available for some of the formats, those tools remain relatively specialized and require some specific domain knowledge to be able to use at all.
SVG is a graphic/object format that is supported directly by most current web browsers (including mobile devices). As an XML-compatible format, there are a lot of existing code libraries that can be used to work with it. It can also be used directly by JavaScript in browsers (and can be combined with the lastest CSS effects for some powerful visualizations), reducing the need for data format readers/translators when building dynamic web applications.</p><p>The City of Calgary said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>Thanks for the comment and we will consider all suggestions as we move forward with this pilot.
</p></div></p>The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45853272010-12-28T08:05:55-08:002010-12-28T08:05:55-08:00A Civic Employee Directory & Org. Chart [updated]<p>The City of Calgary said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>Thanks for the comment and we will consider all suggestions as we move forward with this pilot.
</p></div></p>The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45774292010-12-27T19:07:13-08:002010-12-27T19:07:13-08:00A Civic Employee Directory & Org. Chart [updated]<p>Dave Robertson said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>To provide clarity around who does what and how to contact them. Additional clarity around how the City enterprise is organized and how lines of communication are defined.</p></div></p>Dave Robertsontag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45774172010-12-27T19:05:32-08:002010-12-27T19:05:32-08:00A Civic Employee Directory & Org. ChartDave Robertsontag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45761732010-12-27T17:04:08-08:002010-12-27T17:04:08-08:00GIS data on all Land & Buildings held by YYCCCPaul Hughestag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45746652010-12-27T14:41:05-08:002010-12-27T14:41:05-08:00Data in formats/APIs that can be dynamically referenced by apps<p>grantneufeld suggested:<br />The current data files are offered in static, compressed formats. This means that to use them, they have to be downloaded and decompressed before being integrated into an application. This limits a number of possibilities for web and mobile application development, and means that apps will not necessarily maintain up to date information as the static data files go stale (even if the City updates them in the Catalog).
For static files, please make available formats that can be externally referenced (along with fixed, permanent, URLs).
For data that may change over time, or be added to, or such, please provide dynamic APIs that can be programmatically linked to. Ideally, this would include sub-set searching and sorting abilities (especially once larger data sets start to be dealt with).
I’d be happy to discuss this in detail if you have any questions or want further clarifications.
Twitter: @grant</p>grantneufeldtag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45745172010-12-27T14:30:34-08:002010-12-27T14:30:34-08:00Map data in SVG format<p>grantneufeld suggested:<br />The map (and other path/object) data in the catalog is being supplied mostly in file formats that require specialized tools. Although there are open source tools available for some of the formats, those tools remain relatively specialized and require some specific domain knowledge to be able to use at all.
SVG is a graphic/object format that is supported directly by most current web browsers (including mobile devices). As an XML-compatible format, there are a lot of existing code libraries that can be used to work with it. It can also be used directly by JavaScript in browsers (and can be combined with the lastest CSS effects for some powerful visualizations), reducing the need for data format readers/translators when building dynamic web applications.</p>grantneufeldtag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45744312010-12-27T14:23:31-08:002010-12-27T14:23:31-08:00transit times [updated]<p>what time (based on experience - not scheduled stop time) do trains arrive at a particular stop? Preferably this would be provided as a live GPS location feed (GeoRSS) or else a table of historical times.</p><p>grantneufeld said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>@Tamer Salama: The experience of most Transit users I’ve heard from, and my own experience, has stop times being off by a few minutes or more, in general. Now, that’s probably biased toward noticing off times and not acknowledging the many times stop times are probably accurate, but it does indicate that the schedule cannot be relied on for the utmost in accuracy in actual timing.</p>
<p>That’s why getting the busses equipped with GPSs and making that data available “live” would allow for a very accurate telling of bus timings since any delays or other per-bus timing adjustments would then be available.</p></div></p>grantneufeldtag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/45743852010-12-27T14:18:38-08:002010-12-27T14:18:38-08:00Terms of use [updated]<p>The non-commercial use and other restrictive terms make the data not useful for open, collaborative projects like OpenStreetMap.
Data needs to pass the "cake test"... If I want a special cake made that shows some map data as a decoration, then it needs to be allowed to freely share it (with the baker) who reuses it for profit (making a cake) and redistributes it.
It's also important to be able to mix data sources (city's data), with crowdsourced data from projects like OpenStreetMap or other sources. But, then as data gets mixed and redistributed downstream, it's impossible to accept "fully responsible for any consequences resulting from any use of the Data"
Examples of good terms of use include NRCAN's GeoGratis site:
http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/geogratis/en/licence.jsp
Seattle's Open Data site's terms of use are very simple (though the attribution text is onerous):
http://data.seattle.gov/data-policy</p><p>grantneufeld said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>This is critical if the “Public Data Catalog” is to be eventually turned into “Open Data”. The unusually restrictive licensing eliminates a significant portion (I’d guess the majority, but that’s supposition) of uses to which Open Data is being put in other jurisdictions.</p></div></p>grantneufeldtag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/39427432010-11-18T09:29:06-08:002010-11-18T09:29:06-08:00311 call center information, based on time, call type, postal codeJonathan Lintag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/35652332010-10-27T07:47:49-07:002010-10-27T07:47:49-07:00Public data license [updated]<p>The city's license attached to the public data that they are releasing appears to be somewhat restrictive, and counter productive given current thinking on governance of data, and in light of recent international court rulings related to the dissemination of data created using public funds. It has now been more than a year since the city started looking at this issue. Is the new license Calgary’s current thinking, or is the city moving towards a philosophy of open data? </p><p>The City of Calgary said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>Thanks for the comment and we will consider all suggestions as we move forward with this pilot. </p></div></p>The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/34725212010-10-20T09:29:37-07:002010-10-20T09:29:37-07:00Terms of use [updated]<p>The non-commercial use and other restrictive terms make the data not useful for open, collaborative projects like OpenStreetMap.
Data needs to pass the "cake test"... If I want a special cake made that shows some map data as a decoration, then it needs to be allowed to freely share it (with the baker) who reuses it for profit (making a cake) and redistributes it.
It's also important to be able to mix data sources (city's data), with crowdsourced data from projects like OpenStreetMap or other sources. But, then as data gets mixed and redistributed downstream, it's impossible to accept "fully responsible for any consequences resulting from any use of the Data"
Examples of good terms of use include NRCAN's GeoGratis site:
http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/geogratis/en/licence.jsp
Seattle's Open Data site's terms of use are very simple (though the attribution text is onerous):
http://data.seattle.gov/data-policy</p><p>The City of Calgary said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>Thanks for the comment and we will consider all suggestions as we move forward with this pilot. </p></div></p>The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/34557652010-10-19T08:44:55-07:002010-10-19T08:44:55-07:00Public data license<p>andrew suggested:<br />The city's license attached to the public data that they are releasing appears to be somewhat restrictive, and counter productive given current thinking on governance of data, and in light of recent international court rulings related to the dissemination of data created using public funds. It has now been more than a year since the city started looking at this issue. Is the new license Calgary’s current thinking, or is the city moving towards a philosophy of open data? </p>andrewtag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/31576512010-10-03T22:54:58-07:002010-10-03T22:54:58-07:00transit times [updated]<p>what time (based on experience - not scheduled stop time) do trains arrive at a particular stop? Preferably this would be provided as a live GPS location feed (GeoRSS) or else a table of historical times.</p><p>Tamer Salama said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>I thought schedule times are periodically adjusted based on experience. I'm out of the loop so this is purely speculative.</p>
<p>is it/not the case?</p></div></p>Tamer Salamatag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/31165172010-10-01T08:00:24-07:002010-10-01T08:00:24-07:00Terms of use<p>Katie Filbert suggested:<br />The non-commercial use and other restrictive terms make the data not useful for open, collaborative projects like OpenStreetMap.
Data needs to pass the "cake test"... If I want a special cake made that shows some map data as a decoration, then it needs to be allowed to freely share it (with the baker) who reuses it for profit (making a cake) and redistributes it.
It's also important to be able to mix data sources (city's data), with crowdsourced data from projects like OpenStreetMap or other sources. But, then as data gets mixed and redistributed downstream, it's impossible to accept "fully responsible for any consequences resulting from any use of the Data"
Examples of good terms of use include NRCAN's GeoGratis site:
http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/geogratis/en/licence.jsp
Seattle's Open Data site's terms of use are very simple (though the attribution text is onerous):
http://data.seattle.gov/data-policy</p>Katie Filberttag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/31038272010-09-30T13:14:16-07:002010-09-30T13:14:16-07:00transit times<p>Mike Spendlove suggested:<br />what time (based on experience - not scheduled stop time) do trains arrive at a particular stop? Preferably this would be provided as a live GPS location feed (GeoRSS) or else a table of historical times.</p>Mike Spendlovetag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/30828392010-09-28T14:32:23-07:002010-09-28T14:32:23-07:00Transit stop data [is now none]Anonymoustag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/27125052010-08-24T09:46:01-07:002010-08-24T09:46:01-07:00Transit stop data [is now under review]The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/27051712010-08-23T12:49:00-07:002010-08-23T12:49:00-07:00Transit stop data [updated]<p>The City of Calgary said:<br /><div class="typeset"><p>Best idea ever!</p></div></p>The City of Calgarytag:cityofcalgary.uservoice.com,2008-02-07:Event/26730432010-08-19T14:36:38-07:002010-08-19T14:36:38-07:00[password protected entry]This entry is for a protected UserVoice page. 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